De-mystifying your PG&E Solar Power Bill

Posted on October 25, 2007
Categories: pg&e.

Meter bidirectional

If you’re a PG&E (Pacific Gas and Electric) customer, that blue-bordered power bill you get is complicated enough to understand as it is, right? Well, consider you take a bold green step forward and install a solar power system on your house. Unfortunately, that bill now gets even more complicated. Don’t distress though, we’re here to sort out this mess and hopefully save you a lot of money. What follows is a case study of two very close friends of mine (and PG&E customers) that just so happen to have solar panels on their roof (below). I guess you could consider their dog a “third” friend of mine since my leg has seen a lot of attention whenever I’m over there. Gross.

Dana

Solar Panels on friend's house

Lets dig in to all that PG&E solar nitty gritty!

When my friend’s system was installed on their house, PG&E sent them an interconnection agreement. On this agreement, they decided whether they wanted to get on the E1 or E7 rate plan.

  • If you choose E1, the power PG&E delivers will cost you the same amount - all
    the time. PG&E also credits you for the power you produce, at an equal rate of what they charge for it.
  • If you opt for E7, the time you use (TOU) your energy determines pricing. PG&E will charge you more during peak hours and less during off-peak hours.
    • E7 requires a special TOU meter to split out peak and non-peak usage. My friend’s solar system was installed with a bidirectional meter (see pic), though it wasn’t a TOU bi-directional meter. PG&E wanted to charge them $277 for installation of one. So, make sure when you’re having your system installed that you’re in line to receive one if you plan on going TOU.
    • Since “peak hours” are 12:00 PM - 6:00 PM and the sun shines pretty brightly around that time, my guess is PG&E is trying to make it difficult to stick with the E7 TOU rates. But stick with those rates! That’s when your solar system is most efficient and making money for you if you’ve got your system sized right! The E7 TOU rates are first come first serve, and limited. PGE power is about 4 times as expensive from noon to six. But here’s the rub… PG& had 5000 E7 slots available this year, and the year is almost over and the woman on the phone told me they haven’t even used half of of those.
    • If you produce more in a year than you use, you don’t get a check for that power unless you have signed a contract to sell electricity to PG&E. This isn’t an issue for my friends because their system is relatively and they consume more than they produce.

So what does their bill look like?

Well, before the solar system, they got a blue bordered bill (Energy Statement - called the Blue Bill, on the left). This bill had gas and electric charges and it came due monthly. So after the install, they now get two bills. They get the original Blue Bill which has normal gas charges as usual, but the electric has been replaced by a base electric charge which is anywhere from $4-$8 dollars, with their power consumption and production layed out in the second bill. This second bill is called the NEM (Net Energy Metering, on the right) bill. They can opt to pay this bill at the end of the year. That way, if some months are negative and some are positive, they can reconcile it all at the end (called the “true up” period). Their bills are mostly positive since they have a small solar system and run some power hungry servers, so they pay a big chunk at the end of the year (which is nice, you get to hold onto your money longer). If you are new to this whole idea of “net-metering”, check out our previous post net metering. That should clear things up.

So, what are the rates?

Well, their baseline rates are 29.3 cents per kWh for Peak Hours and 8.66 cents per kWh for Off-Peak Hours. WOW. Big difference, right? Again, if you use a lot of electricity between the hours of 12:00-6:00pm, make sure you’re utilizing your solar system to save you money and stick with that E7 rate plan. The PG&E rating system is excruciatingly difficult to read and understand. Check out the PG&E tariff page. I downloaded the E1, E7, and NEM rates as well. The purpose of us being here is so we can help you decipher all of this.

As you use more power, the price goes up.

These plans operate on tiers, which are related to a baseline. The baseline is the power PG&E expects you to use as a house, and it’s pretty conservative. If you run servers or a hot tub, you’re probably going to go over it. Once you go over, power costs more:

Total Energy Rates
Summer PEAK OFF-PEAK
Baseline Usage $0.29372 $0.08664
101% - 130% of Baseline $0.29372 $0.08664
131% - 200% of Baseline $0.39105 $0.18397
201% - 300% of Baseline $0.48102 $0.27394
Over 300% of Baseline $0.52817 $0.32109
Winter    
Baseline Usage $0.11472 $0.08966
$0.30202 $0.11472 $0.08966
131% - 200% of Baseline $0.21205 $0.18699
201% - 300% of Baseline $0.30202 $0.27696
Over 300% of Baseline $0.34917 $0.32411

So, how much are they saving?

Because you can only see the net power consumption (not how much they produce and how much they use) I have to estimate based on looking at all their power bills and knowing their lifestyle, which is no problem because I’m over there playing Halo III all the time anyway. Because the solar system they have is rockin in full gear at the same time power is costing about 4 times a much as it does during the non-peak hours…. They’re saving a lot. I won’t get into the math but it looks like about $1200-ish a year.

Here is more information about California solar power energy rebates

ASK US QUESTIONS!

I understand this is confusing, so if you have questions, ask them in the comments, I’ll CALL PG&E, and I’ll update the post.

Cheers! - Dave

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14 comments.

Comment on October 29th, 2007.

We’re trying to decide now on which plan to use (the peak/off-peak or the standard rates plan). The PG+E person told me that if we’re having someone at home during the peak hours, we may be better off with the standard plan. Does that sound right? We have a 2.4kWp system installed. Does that matter? Or should we just go with the TOU plan? Thanks

Comment on October 29th, 2007.

Aaron, What PGE is telling you doesn’t make a lot of sense.

The bottom line is that if you have a solar system of any type, you want to rock the PG&E time of use schedule (E7). The solar powered energy you’re producing is often worth four times as much as the non-peak hours, because peak hours are during the sunniest periods (For the moment, peak hours are noon-six).

Doesn’t matter if you have someone home during the day or not, the power you are produce with your system is constant, and that power is worth more if you use TOU.

Comment on October 29th, 2007.

Dave,

Let’s say you go on vacation and you’re on the E7 rate plan. Are you able to sell the peak power you produce back to PG&E for more than off-peak rates?

Comment on October 29th, 2007.

Dan,

You are credited for the power your produce at the same rate you are charged for it. So if you are producing net power, you’re getting credited…. If you’re using net power, you’re getting charged.

If you go on vacation, PGE would be crediting your account more cash with E7 since the photovoltaic system is pumping out the most power during peak hours.

You can’t “SELL” your power to PGE unless you setup a contract to sell solar credits with them. To most people this doesn’t matter because they will be net power consumers at the end of the year.

Here is some more info about “net metering.”

Comment on October 29th, 2007.

Right Dave,

So, if you’re on vacation and you’re on the E7 rate plan, PG&E is crediting your account during noon-6pm using the PEAK rate schedule above?

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Dave Bagshaw
Comment on January 4th, 2008.

I have a solar electric system on my house. I also have an electric hot tub and pool. I am on E1 because in the summer I have to run the pool pump to send water thru the pool solar collectors. Should I be on E7? Do you ever do consulting to help people decipher the bill and figure out whether E7 is better? Do you know anyone who does?

Thanks Dave B.

MHS
Comment on January 28th, 2008.

I have the same pool pump situation, but I am doing better on E-7. If you did not install enough solar capacity E1 might be better, but during the summer I am still selling power to PG&E on peak so E7 is worth it.
If you run your pool pump during they day in the winter E-6 might be worth it, but I have not checked.

Paul Hernday
Comment on February 4th, 2008.

Hi,

I like the idea of your website, as I am an activist too. But I can’t read it given the unfortunate choice of black background and type font. Also, I can’t make paper copies because it eats black ink.

Any chance you could lose the black?

Paul

Nelle
Comment on April 3rd, 2008.

Hi.
My usuage is higher than what my solar system is generating. I generate about 100 kw per day on a clear day. I use in summer months between 5-6,000Kw in the summer with air conditioning and about 3,000 in the winter. I am on E-8 which I think is the correct plan due to usuage is higher in the summer. Is that correct? Also, I was told I would check monthly check’s for the power I am generating as a rebate for 5 years instead of one lump payment. Is that correct or does that just show up as a credit on my power bill?

Linda Agerbak
Comment on May 20th, 2008.

I put in pv 2 years ago. Every day I go out and enjoy seeing the numbers going down on the meter. Perfect! I look forward to the day when people put in bigger, more efficient arrays, so that through their extra Kw, PG&E will pay them in effect for the installation.

Maureen
Comment on May 30th, 2008.

We live in Humboldt county close to the ocean. We get a lot of fog and don’t have anywhere near the sun that we did in So CAL. We are ready to install solar because our PG and E bills are on a tiered system and are charged 30-34 cents Kw. once we reach the top two tiers. Because we are not sure how much electricity this solar system will generate, do you have any recommendations as to how we should go about selecting the rate plan?

R. Krinsky
Comment on May 31st, 2008.

Hi;
We are about to install a Solar Voltaic system with 24 panels which the installer estimates will generate 3.7KWH he also tells us that PG&E keeps changing things like the rate plans. We live in Northern California and do not get as much sun as other areas. We may try to install another 12 panels depending on the engineers report regarding the roof. This is now the beginning of June 08. Can you tell us what the current rate plans are? We have also been told that we must get a TOU meter but that it will not cost anything to install. Does that sound right?

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