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A sick graph – Iraq war spending vs. spending on renewable energy

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Published on 10/30/2007 in
Updated 12/30/2014

 A sick graph of renewable energy spending versus Iraq war spending

These figures are in millions. The source for energy R&D expenditures is from the National Council for Science and the Environment. Take a look here. Though the war in Iraq now costs about $120B a year, two authors (one a Nobel prize winner) estimates the total cost of this war exceeds 2 Trillion Dollars.

“Accrued liabilities for U.S. federal employees’ and veterans’ benefits now total $4.5 trillion. Indeed, our debt for veterans’ health and disability payments has risen by $228 billion in the past year alone…The Congressional Budget Office estimates that the interest payments on the money borrowed to finance the Iraq war will total $264 billion to $308 billion.”

That $2,000,000,000,000? Well, that amount of money could’ve built solar thermal plants here that would have provided energy for 2/3rds of our nation’s energy demand.

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Jimbo

I am a Republican. However I am tired of the US spending money and our soldier’s lives on people who don’t respect our sacrifices for them. Those funds should be spent on solar energy, research and training of US citizens. Eliminate our dependence on oil and those countries will wither away.

D.Clayton
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D.Clayton

We in the renewable sector have been sabotaged by Big Oil and there defense contractor buddies. Imagine if those funds were available as part of the programs we seeing today. The world is what we make it. Especially in the US. Every half witted American knows we fight these wars for oil(Afghan, Irag). The 2 most important things in a civilized world= Energy(this includes food) and water. If it where about security the matrix would dictate a totally different response. We as renawable proprieters can also wage war. We have the Sun, Wind, Water on our side. This tech will… Read more »

Megan
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Megan

Actually the lives we change of the women and children and men in Iraq is well worth the war. Women are treated like dirt over there and if we could bring in a vestige of decency and humanity to that part of the world what type of cost can you put to that. It’s not all about oil or business or politics, it’s about people.

Mc Doogall
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Mc Doogall

Just wait until the total cost of the oil quest for the oil in Turkmenistan, just north of Afghanistan is in! Electric cars will seem cheap! But: we are not in control! Big money, in big oil runs the show -we are but the peonies, destine to die serving their whims, their international game, and great sport for them, in offices filled with maps, pretty secretaries, information and air-conditioners, and only a short drive to a glorious McMansion home in an SUV’s with huge engines! For them, life can get no better, for us, no worse! China, will change this… Read more »

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Dawood Mamedoff

This war is the second expensive for U.S. after the World War II. Here I’ve tried to summarize all costs of the Iraq war for Americans:

http://www.myhowtoos.com/en/red-hot/86-all-costs-of-war-in-iraq-for-usa

Adam Ma
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Adam Ma

wow so many comments… I agree with Hunter Young all he said. Hi Hunter you play Halo? Caz your email..

Hunter Young
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Hunter Young

I don’t know what you people are talking about, but at this point, solar energy is a stupid idea at this time. it is NOT cost efficient, and will NOT solve anything, as coal plants will have to run on back up. Nuclear is a more cost effective solution.
and by the way, don’t bring bush into this, or the war in Iraq. War is a necessary evil.
Any comments contact me at [email protected]

Sam Harriman
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Sam Harriman

I got my instructor to bring up solarpowerrocks on the overhead in class the other day. Check your metrics. The buzzard denied having a link on his solar-worx.com site. I’m working on it man.

@ Jack Straw,
Yes. I think solar panels on the twin towers would have made a difference. I think solar panels on my house would have made a difference. I think solar panels on your house would have made a difference. We’re in this together. peace

cooler choice
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cooler choice

man that sucks more money is needed to help improve our environment

David
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David

“The United states installed more wind power capacity in 2005 and 2006 than every other country in the world except for Germany and Spain.” – John Germany and Spain are much smaller countries with much smaller GDPs ($3.3 and $1.4 trillion, respectively). The US should be doing more with its status as a world leader, and the government is the key to that action. Our country commands $13.8 trillion in GDP (according to the CIA World Factbook), and our government has been piddlefarting around for the last 25 years. We should be installing the most non-fossil fuel energy of any… Read more »

Clay
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Clay

we needed to go to iraq. Renewable energy cost more than oil does. look at other stats.

Caitlyn
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Caitlyn

well,,, this issue is a very ineresting subject to wright about judging on how many people commented!!!!! :p

yes, i believe everyone should help if they have the courage but not the srength.

Gerry Francol
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Gerry Francol

I mean PRIZE.

Gerry Francol
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Gerry Francol

Your graph is quite explicit. Why did you let Boo-sh take the rize he did not win honourably? What else can one expect from a thief? You guys were this close to become another banana-country dictatorship. Good luck now on.

Adam
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Adam

Indeed, from May 12, 2006: “US clears $663bn for defence policies” THE US House of Representatives today passed a bill for more than half a trillion dollars in defence programs for next year, including another $US50 billion ($64.7 billion) “bridge fund” for the Iraq war.” ” The House overwhelmingly rejected an amendment to slash in half the Bush administration’s missile defence program – set to get $US9.3 billion next year – leaving it just to focus on the most achievable technologies. Democrats argue the program to build a missile-intercepting system has failed most critical tests, while costing about $US100 billion… Read more »

Adam
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Adam

Anyone considered that this immense cost is still just a fraction of the USA’s annual defense budget? (which, last I heard, was in the order of USD$400 billion a year. Excluding Iraq!)

Leslie
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Leslie

I like that, how a picture is worth a thousand words, plus or minus a bit.

“I think they’re going to take all this money that we spend now on war
and death –”
“And make them spend it on life.”
— Edith Keeler and Kirk, “The City on the Edge of Forever”,
stardate unknown.

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Jeff - ScienceSays.net

Awesome – very funny, very poignant visual representation…even if it makes me think my country’s priorities are screwed

Jon
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Jon

Going to war over oil was evidently unnecessary

Chad
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Chad

This graph certainly indicates that we as a country have much to do to harness alternative energy. Please do some research prior to making ridicous statements. You must look at the big picture as an Economist would do. I only had 4 or 5 course in Economics but you don’t have to be a Ph.D to understand what dollars spent in Iraq means for the USA. Support Obama and we will see a plan come to life that will bring political power back to ordinary Americans who are concerned with keeping their job, sending kids to good schools, healthcare when… Read more »

Lori
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Lori

OK, I am so sick and tired of all the crap. We are exploring solar energy. It is my understanding that we have HUGE solar panels in the desert and the ENVIRONMENTALISTS are trying to stop the installation of the power lines that would allow us to harvest the energy that is created by solar panels. Oh and by the by, the “windmills” the people that are trying to install to harvest wind energy are also being blocked by said environmentalists for reasons such as – it will block the view, harm the environment/animals. Heaven forbid we should try hydro… Read more »

David Lotsoff
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David Lotsoff

About all the deaths in Iraq… Have you checked how many people die in car accidents each day then compare that with how many die in Iraq each day. If the war was for oil… why aren’t we getting any?

brandon
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brandon

vuenisimo

Charles
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Charles

This makes perfect sense. It is cheaper for the government, who has ties in the domestic oil industry, to spend other people’s money to secure that industry and their future profits. You and I pay for them. Go solar and alternative energy!

Randy Murch
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Randy Murch

Being energy self sufficient is the only way to end the war in the middle east. Without the demand for oil in the middle east the power that they now have will subside and they will go back to killing each other as they have done for thousands of years. We can not sit back and wait for others to make the move towards solar. I made the investment and power my home by solar, it’s clean, quite and renewable energy that anyone can harvest for the taking. Just do it!!!!!!!!

Jonah
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Jonah

im at school and no one can belive it

Andy
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Andy

We are not getting oil from the Iraq war. We are getting security, something no solar panel will give us. The graph is a lie anyway. 110 Billion is the total war on terrorism. Iraq is a fraction of that.

Snoopy
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Snoopy

I think America is an idiot for spending money on its war for oil when we could just use soalr power.

Lucy
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Lucy

Hi, this page is incredibly helpful for my geography project. It’s on Iraqi citizens having to leave their country and go to Jordan to escape the militia and to seek refuge there. I was just wondering, couldn’t they spend the money that they are using on the war for humanity efforts in Iraq? Then the war would be over, the country would be helped and America could get back to spending the money previously reserved for the war in Iraq to find out more about renewable energy such as solar power. I don’t really understand why they are fighting anymore… Read more »

Lin Ennis
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Lin Ennis

Great info (and I love the look of your blog!). I Googled war versus homeland spending for a blog post I’m writing today about a single father losing his home to predatory lending. So I’ll add solar, too, as one more thing at home we could be spending money on to make America stronger.

Don’t you think if we had food, clothing, shelter, healthcare and satisfying labor we could protect one another and our borders with our own hands? Not the Twin Towers from airplane bombs, but from our enemies within, and coming in?

Pedro
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Pedro

What I don’t understand is why the most powerful army and mercinaries in the world are a afraid of a few Afghan opium farmers. Take it all. And what they don’t use, they can sell. We’d all be a happier bunch.

tim
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tim

I tried my darnedest to back Bush before the war, you know, the WMD and all. I believed them. Even when we went in, I tried to be optimistic. But everyone has their limits. This graph makes me sick indeed. Opportunities wasted….people wasted…money wasted….Lord have mercy

Leon Grayu
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Leon Grayu

oh, and also..this is a American LED campaign…their leading the UN…the greater part of the civilizard world is fighting in iraq. and to those bitchin about how much in taxes they are gonna pay for this, remeber…the government doesnt just make money from taxes -_-;

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rebelyell

Geeez – I have said for decades that I’m worried about our country when folks like Bush, Ditto-heads and the like are mainsream ya gotta wonder. But your comments (and comments by folks who are in your camp) are really really very scarry. It shows how little you actually use your mind for critical thinking and how the facts somehow seem to elude you.
Why and when did the US get its collective head sideways up its ass??

Leon Grayu
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Leon Grayu

i totally agree, what is the price of freedom?

David
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David

Over a trillion wasted taxpayer dollars and thousands of wasted American lives, apparently.

Zachary Brayman
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Zachary Brayman

you guys are effin stupid…the companies behind the development of alternative resources have as much money as they need. if we all of a sudden dump in 1 trillion dollars into alternative resource development, we wont be any better off than we are today. Alternative resources are still on the thinking stage, and im sorry, but money does not help you think better. Also, yes the war in Iraq is directly helping secure our country from terrorism. if we let the terrorists run free after 9/11 and went oh well, well just keep a better eye then it would have… Read more »

JAM
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JAM

Thank God a president can’t be elected twice…. I’m only 13 and my parents generation and the generations before them have ruined my world!!! Why don’t we take some of that money put into the war, put it into some solar panels to not have to pay for more oil to be sent over seas, have the government pay people to have solar panels on their roofs through an EEG law like Germany, use net metering to spread out the energy collected from certain families (which would cut the cost of the electricity for the family doing the net-metering), then… Read more »

David
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David

“Thank God a president can’t be elected twice…”

———–

You might want to check your facts there ;D. Great ideas otherwise though.

Julia
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Julia

what are we doing to our planet?
I’m 11 years old, what is the planet going to be like when I grow up?
I don’t see how the war in Iraq is helping me.
I can’t wait for a new president!!!!

PB
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PB

First of all, there should be a US citizenship test with one question: The Iraq War was an action taken for this reason: A. to improve the security of our country and that region. B. the opposite of A. Anyone who answers A should be immediately shipped out of the country with the word “Rejected” stamped on their forehead. Now having said that, this is not a very good chart because everyone knows the war has cost us an ungodly amount of capital (financial and human) and ruined the armed forces for many years to come. That has nothing to… Read more »

Brian
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Brian

What fascinates me is the division of polictical bias over responsible judgement. When are people going to overcome their divisive political agendas and decide on what’s best for the human race..? Do those of you greedy political capitolists think you’ll breath any better without the tree huggers..? And tree huggers, we already know that thew dollar trumps all, so think like they do and find a way for them to profit from conservation we yurn and we’ll ALL win! These arguments are exactly what’s wrong with America. Let’s leave them to an unresponsive government. Its up to us…the real America… Read more »

JACK(CANADA)
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JACK(CANADA)

This is not just a US problem. Get your noses out of your own asses and see that the entire world is being affected by corporate greed for profits and power and the governments around the world are supporting them. Even our own politians in Canada are being caught with thier hands in corporate pockets. Saying that it’s not the government’s job to solve this energy problem gives them license to do nothing(which is the one thing they do well). Hydrogen is the on the top of my list for much more research(as well as solar, wind, geothermal and tidal… Read more »

Robert Burns
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Robert Burns

Amazing people still think they can vote and obtain a solution to complex problems (renewable energy and armed conflict) by electing such “representatives” as Hillary, Rudy et al. As a species we need to rethink our goals and the first goal should be survivability. The U.S. and other national states have elected or have inherited leaders / dictators and power structures that practice cultures of destruction. Greed and death are the cause and result- ultimately it will lead to the death of all living creatures and plant life on Earth. If there is enough living plant and animal matter left,… Read more »

Doug
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Doug

Impeach Bush, vote Obama!

Mark
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Mark

http://www.inventhp.com/Reducing_Demand_for_Crude_Oil_2.html If we ever get our priorities right there are solutions! The above link to a page on my web site contains an equation which shows how we can reduce our consumption of oil. Using this equation I figure we can reduce our demand of oil by 96% (in the transportatiion sector atleast) while improving our quality of life, if done right. By the way, using solar power to charge electric and plug in hybrids vehicles is part of the solution. I warn you though, “The Hydrogen Economy” is a diversion. We should have gotten suspecious when Pres. Bush championed… Read more »

Mark
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Mark

If we ever get our priorities right there are solutions! The above link to a page on my web site contains an equation which shows how we can reduce our consumption of oil. Using this equation I figure we can reduce our demand of oil by 96% (in the transportatiion sector atleast) while improving our quality of life, if done right. And using solar power to charge electric and plug in hybrids vehicles is part of the solution. I warn you though, ‘The Hydrogen Economy” is a diversion. We should have got suspecious when Pres. Bush championed it. The actual… Read more »

Lilly L
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Lilly L

whats even more unfortunate is that this graph is surprising to us. they do a good job of keeping stuff like this on the dl…

HippyGourmet
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HippyGourmet

How many Solar Chariots could we have built we wonder?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45ZquJIolvY

Thursday
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Thursday

jean –

It does cost money to buy and hook up solar panels – in many regions, it’s more expensive than standard electricity.

However, there is no region where a simple solar water-heating system does not reduce the power draw significantly; and it is also cost effective, returning its value often within the first two years.

pegleghippie
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pegleghippie

eye-opening and devastating

Madison
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Madison

Eye opening, devastating and immoral. Bush and his cronies should be charged with crimes against humanity

Lynn
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Lynn

Can any of us say we are conserving recycling and seeking alternatives to our potential?? I know we recycle in a community that doesn’t, we don’t conserve as much as we can and alternatives sure my husband and i are looking at solar and wind power for powering our home but it is messy and complicated and the townships frown upon new ideas that they have to inspect. Also, Did anyone else notice that on the news critics were saying that the use of the hydrogen fueled car isn’t going to really go anywhere mostly because it will need stations… Read more »

jean
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jean

I wonder how many would chooose to have even a partial solar set up than pay to have our fine young men and women shot at maimed and killed. Ever notice solar is priced out of reach for fixed incomes?

What is Energy?
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What is Energy?

What is new here? This is something that we’ve known about since the second year of the war. Now that it’s a graph it’s understood?

Calgary Dude
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Calgary Dude

“That $2,000,000,000,000? Well, that amount of money could’ve built solar thermal plants here that would have provided energy for 2/3rds of our nation’s energy demand”

Actually, according to your calculations at the provided link, it would be 3 TIMES the nation’s current energy demand. There would be 2/3rds of the budget LEFT OVER AFTER the entire nation’s energy demand is satiated with solar power plants.

Jasco
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Jasco

Bush Jr. Is why you shouldn’t tell a retarded child he can be anything when he grows up.

L-girl
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L-girl

“It’s clear to all of us by now that the Clinton administration did so very little in the area of renewable resource development that they significantly hampered our national progress in this arena.” What year will it be when some people stop blaming the sorry state of the US on Clinton? I was no fan of his presidency (a Republican dressed up like a liberal), but the neocons were in office before and since, and they command the most powerful executive branch ever seen in the US. How can anyone in their right mind still blame Clinton?? “it’s clear that… Read more »

B Anthony
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B Anthony

Is there a higher resolution version of this graph? I’d love to make a poster!

bob
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bob

WaPo has an article this morning giving a $1.5 billion price tag so far.

Chuck
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Chuck

Incredible how sophisticated, intelligent, and normally rational cultures, capable of amazing technological feats can be mislead by incompetent zealots, and be damaged severly by their arrogant wars; all because of those willing to exploit people’s fears, and push their lunatic schemes (ie – war in Iraq; Middle East Beachheads) to change the world. And now we’re stuck with the mess. Everyone’s running so fast to keep up these day, few have time to see the damage being done, or to understand it fully. This graph gets to the point – private resarch added wouldn’t be a molehill by comparison either.… Read more »

Sean
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Sean

WELL-SAID JOHN, BRAVO. EXCELLENT, I AGREE THOUROULY.
General public is seriously under media influence very badly.

John
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John

This is in response to Duane Read (10/31/2007) and Paul (11/6): Duane: “It’s clear to all of us by now that the Clinton administration did so very little in the area of renewable resource development that they significantly hampered our national progress in this arena.” ***There is no way anything like that would have passed because congress and the lobbies that controlled it wouldn’t have allowed it. “While we’ve probably spent a bit more in Iraq than we had hoped, it’s clear that President Bush’s priorities are clearly in the right place. First, safety of the homeland. Then, lesser things.”… Read more »

Cliff Wirth
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Cliff Wirth

Solar power rocks, but I’m more a fan of passive solar, as the electric grid will fail and solar electricity will not be useful. It is a long story, but worth reading: http://www.peakoilassociates.com/POAnalysis.html

asdf
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asdf

To those who are defending this chart, or the people whose policies made this chart a reality – congratulations! You are doing the bidding of these fuckers. Just don’t say “uh, sorry” when we say “I told you so.” I must say, bravo to the men who were able to brainwash people into thinking advancing war was a better choice than advancing our nations civilization and well being. To anybody who truly believes the terrorists are more of a threat than that of WWII or the Russians, who had 30,000+ ACTUAL nuclear weapons pointed at us (as opposed to the… Read more »

london eyrie
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london eyrie

Paul: ‘Alternative energy research isn’t the responsibility of the US government. Why don’t they bother to include private research dollars on the chart? Because there’s an agenda here.’ You know what Paul? ‘private research dollars’ don’t appear on the chart because where they exist they are so few. Most of the kind of basic research needed to find alternative sources of energy (ie free-thinking investigation into how nature works) happening at colleges and in private industry is funded by the government. Other funding comes from philanthropic trusts – mainly towards medical research, but industry generally doesn’t take that kind of… Read more »

Uncle B
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Uncle B

A bunch of turban-topped bums hanging around the oil wells in the middle east are no match for American Forces. Stop the pantie-waste bullshit and bomb the bastards to hell, unless of course the military/industrial complex is using the middle east to develop weapons, make fortunes and otherwise entertain corrupt politicians that are on the take. Someone is making money otherwise it would stop and soldiers wouldn’t have to die.

Steve Richardson
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Steve Richardson

Think about the fact that we pay about $3 a gallon for gas right now however we will eventually have to pay for this war with our taxes which is projected to cost 2 trillion. 300 million into 2 trillion comes close to $7,000 per person. That means gas is really closer to probably $10 or $15 a gallon right now. The cost benefit analysis of this war shows it’s been a complete disaster for regular people, however the big oil and gas corporations LOVE instability because they can jack up the prices which is why their profits are skyrocketing!… Read more »

Sandy Copeland
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Sandy Copeland

This graph is a little disturbing, its unfortunate that Americans are allowing their government to waste so much money on a war that may or may not be justified. Consider the BGM-109 Tomahawk cruise missile costs 1.3 million dollars, during the 1991 Persian Gulf conflict the US Navy used 288 of them. The company that manufactures the BGM-109 Tomahawk, Raytheon posted revenues of 20.3 billion dollars in 2006. Raytheon’s chairman and CEO William Swanson according to the Boston Globe had a pay package of 7 million dollars in 2005.

Jerry Nelson
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Jerry Nelson

Ai yi yi yi yi! This boggles the mind. How did the inmates get control of the asylum? I knew it was bad but this puts a whole other perspective on it.

To Wardo: That is 500 Million Dollars NOT 500!

Peter Pawan
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Peter Pawan

Hey, I wanna do your logo, It would be helpfull if someone send me some info on what you want it to be like… you know… abstract idea of what you have in mind…

Micah
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Micah

Cheney and Addington have got to go.

Paul
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Paul

Alternative energy research isn’t the responsibility of the US government. Why don’t they bother to include private research dollars on the chart? Because there’s an agenda here.

Also, the soldiers and equipment used in Iraq wouldn’t vanish if we weren’t in Iraq. They would still be paid and utilized elsewhere.

Pedro
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Pedro

Like they should. Duh.

Eric
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Eric

I was only 5 years old then but was peanut butter $50/jar when Jimmy Carter was president?

Giggle Bunny
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Giggle Bunny

Yes because the Clinton administration just totally screwed America over…that’s sarcasm btw

James Kelley
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James Kelley

Carl Rody said: “I blame George Bush Sr. He raised a greedy, incompetent boob.”

To that, I say: I love boobs, they are soft, sexy, and fun to squeeze.

David Koon
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David Koon

What’s clear is that there is no hope for our country if enough 1/4 wits still buy into the bull that the war criminals running our nation spew out. They have made this a much more dangerous world for us and everyone else.

Duane Reed
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Duane Reed

It’s clear to all of us by now that the Clinton administration did so very little in the area of renewable resource development that they significantly hampered our national progress in this arena.

While we’ve probably spent a bit more in Iraq than we had hoped, it’s clear that President Bush’s priorities are clearly in the right place. First, safety of the homeland. Then, lesser things.

Adam
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Adam

Uh, LOL?

49% of your fellow countrymen don’t feel the same way. First it was Saddam that had the nukes (no he didn’t), then it was Osama (who is somewhere in Afghanistan apparently) and yet Bush is still basically fighting a pointless war in a country that never threatened the USA, they just had more control over a resource than Bush did, and he threw a temper tantrum in the name of God.

Which to be honest, makes him even more stupid.

Marines rules
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Marines rules

I belive that the Iraq war was fought correctly. Pulling out the soldiers is wrong fuck whoever disagree with me

Dan Hahn
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Dan Hahn

@ Wardo,

More info and references provided above.

sonny
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sonny

{ep[;e pf tje IS are cp,[;acemt/ Tjeu deserve Bush. It sithe best that they could offer the wowrold. Not once but, twice.

Wardo
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Wardo

oh nevermind. i saw the labeling
still, give me some sources

Wardo
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Wardo

um. the graph is wrong. it moves in frames of 500 and that would mean that only 500 dollars had been spent on coal. ever. i dont think thats correct. this could be done, just do it right and it will still be as shocking

Adam
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Adam

If you had seen the high resolution image, you’d notice that it’s in either millions or billions of dollars. So $500 billion on coal since the war began.

Dan Hahn
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Dan Hahn

Figures are in millions.
~$500 million in coal R&D since January of this year.

Jack Straw
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Jack Straw

how about listing the number or terrorists killed with the $$ from each energy source? It’s a big fat Zero! Or maybe you think solar panals on the twin towers would have made a difference?

JAM
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JAM

Ok… 13-year-old here…. Twin Towers don’t have anything to do with the Iraq war. Congress gave the Pres. the wrong information that they had nuclear weapons… right? Yah… pretty sure I’m right…

john shermer
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john shermer

Except that all the military and money in the middle east is most of the reason that part of the world despises us in the west. and contrary to what people like jack may think…we don’t have a right to go anywhere and do anything that we want to on this earth. so how different would this entire world be if say 30 years ago when we were uncovering the power of alternative energy, we would have poured our resources into those clean and unobtrusive ways of powering our country? We would be energy independant and we would have not… Read more »

lynx
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lynx

an oddly appropriate graph for halloween, one of the scariest things I’ve seen in days.

added a link to this post from my blog, along with a short rant on the opportunity cost of this war and the damage to the our country and our economy caused by that. hope you get some traffic off it.

Thomas
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Thomas

@Lionel

Actually, I think the country most likely to find “the next big thing” is the U.S. The government may not be throwing too much tax money on research but several universities an d companies are working on the problem.

Adam
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Adam

Comment by Thomas 2007-10-30 15:46:50 @Lionel Actually, I think the country most likely to find “the next big thing” is the U.S. The government may not be throwing too much tax money on research but several universities an d companies are working on the problem. —– You sir, are an idiot. You mean just because “several” universities and companies are “working” on the problem means the USA is bound to find a solution to the renewable energy problem first? There’s a Norwegian scientist that has already modified wind turbines to be 85% more efficient than current models, and only require… Read more »

John
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John

Hmmm… Well, how dare you call this man an idiot and follow it up with something like that. The United states installed more wind power capacity in 2005 and 2006 than every other country in the world except for Germany and Spain. Year to date, it has invested more than last year and is only second to Germany for new installations. Thomas may have been vague, but it IS private enterprise that brings about revolutionary change. If we were to ask the government to develop the same technology that private companies have been developing, it would cost taxpayers dearly. The… Read more »

mike
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mike

put the absolute investments into renewable energy into relation to the country’s tremendous size compared to Germany and you’ll see that what the US does about renewable energy is just peanuts.

And why do you need to burn so much more renewable energy than other western societies?! That’s just stupid and short-sighted like the whole US way of life.

S.
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S.

“As for our oil INVESTMENT in Iraq, we might as well be invading Canada and Mexico, they are closer and they are our two top importers of oil.”

….google The North American Union….. we don’t even need the option to invade… anymore.

Pedro
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Pedro

And of course, taking all the profit potential away from us. We will be bankrupt in 5-25 years. No more loans to pay our soldiers. No more money to fuel our war planes or pay the pilots. Anyone, anywhere can invade us. I personally feel we’ll all be in Chinese slave-labor camps on US soil standing in long lines for our daily rice rations. How can one administration do so much damage in 7 years. Fascism sucks. FOX News and all the other corporate controlled media outlets suck. Yes, GE makes more than light bulbs. And in the mean time,… Read more »

GregFitz
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GregFitz

How about a graph showing how many innocent people are killed in the quest for each source of energy?

Carl Rody
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Carl Rody

I blame George Bush Sr. He raised a greedy, incompetent boob. It (yes it) knows not to bite the hand that feeds it, it’s easily bullied, it will obey big oil no matter how inane the demand, and is incapable of thinking for itself. On the plus side, the current resident in the White House has inspired my fish. Things that could never have thought about ruling the free world now think about it often and are looking into hiring public relations firms, compiling statics and forming focus groups. Vote Oscar.

empress
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empress

the family line goes back further than sr. try prescott bush who funded hitler in killing jews. this is so deep the bush family is also cousin to the queen of england.

Lionel
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Lionel

Any doubts why US is running at the back of the “renewable sources” competition?

Wyllie
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Wyllie

Wow, I’m with ya on this. It just boggles the mind to think we would spend so much more on a war for oil then we would spend on not being dependent on so much oil to begin with. Wow!

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